The legendary Ann Hirsch brings her usual directness and keen observations to our conversation! She explains what makes a selfie by an artist different from a selfie taken by “just anyone,” discusses the female body as a performance versus painting, and explains her “sex-friendly” stance. She says her title statement of Body Anxiety (an online show from 2015) remains true: “Whenever you put your body online, in some way you are in conversation with porn.” Even though half the traffic on the internet is porn related, we still don’t see porn in art. Enjoy this amazing Ann Hirsch experience as she touches on not perfect behavior, post-internet art, her NFT Project “Ugly Bitches,” and ugly propaganda, among other things!